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The Chat Logs Unity (Black, Any?). danZ vs. C-Money
The Chat Logs Unity (Black, Any?). danZ vs. C-Money | Unity (Black, Any?). danZ vs. C-Money |
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| Written by William Danze | |
| 09/06/2005 | |
Some verbal diarrhea with yours truly William Danze, and Mr. C-Money (aka Home is where the hatred is). This is uncesonred and not recommended for the narrow minded visionaries. Black Unity or Unity? Identity? Nationalism or Patriotism? Where do you fit?
Conversation with BigDirtyDaddy(21:39:39)danZenie: bigDirty!(21:40:41)Home is where the hatred is has closed the conversation window. (21:42:47)Home is where the hatred is: what's going on? (21:43:00)danZenie: chilling man (21:43:03)danZenie: about to post this rant (21:43:54)Home is where the hatred is: you're always ranting about something (21:44:13)danZenie: word? (21:44:21)danZenie: damn. you hurt my feelings (21:44:31)Home is where the hatred is: just the truth (21:44:50)danZenie: the truth shall set you free, but it shall also hurt your feelings (21:45:16)Home is where the hatred is: I don't give a God damn about feelings...sound familiar (21:45:50)danZenie: damn (21:46:01)danZenie: you just throwing shit in my face now (21:47:48)Home is where the hatred is has closed the conversation window. (21:48:03)Home is where the hatred is: nah brother, just reality (21:48:08)danZenie: true true (21:48:18)danZenie: did you ever read the successful psychopath rant? (21:49:03)Home is where the hatred is: I did (21:50:03)Home is where the hatred is has closed the conversation window. (21:50:22)danZenie: ok. now we know you can read (21:50:28)danZenie: or claim (21:50:41)Home is where the hatred is: right (21:50:59)danZenie: the new one is about N.O. and black folks (21:51:20)Home is where the hatred is: what, they are poor and nobody loves them? (21:51:41)danZenie: notice how you said "they are" and not "we are" (21:52:20)Home is where the hatred is: yeah, there is no such thing as black unity (21:52:51)danZenie: speak for yourself (21:53:14)Home is where the hatred is: show me the proof of black unity (21:53:26)danZenie: your msn image (21:53:41)danZenie: it says "I love black people". that's unity (21:53:51)Home is where the hatred is: I love them, it doesn't mean they won't shank me in an instant (21:54:02)danZenie: but you won't shank them (21:54:09)danZenie: and there are many others like you (21:54:16)Home is where the hatred is: not unless I have too (21:54:24)danZenie: just like anyone else (21:54:29)Home is where the hatred is: right (21:54:45)danZenie: doesn't mean there's no unity (21:55:28)Home is where the hatred is: black unity doesn't exist...it is an after effect of the black power movement (21:55:41)danZenie: it does exist (21:55:49)Home is where the hatred is: where (21:56:03)danZenie: the fact that you still feel shame when you see black people doing dumb ass shit on T.V. is a sense of unity (21:56:48)danZenie: that fact that you feel that you represent black people when you find yourself in a place filled with non-black folks (21:56:57)danZenie: there is a sense of unity (21:57:52)Home is where the hatred is: no that is a collective sense of shame that one feels when they are being misrepresented..I distance myself from that shame...just like white people don't feel a sense of collective shame when their trailer park cousins or serial killer uncles pop into the media consciousness (21:58:15)danZenie: no you don't (21:58:18)danZenie: you can't (21:58:27)danZenie: you say it. but you still feel shame (21:59:09)Home is where the hatred is: I do but that train of thought is something that is thought I try to be an individual (21:59:24)danZenie: I try to be an individual also (21:59:37)danZenie: that doesn't mean you can't or won't be able to identify with the whole (22:00:53)Home is where the hatred is: no. the key to maintaining your individuality is not to be caught up in the whole...read 1984 (22:01:30)danZenie: I said "identify" not "become" nor get "caught up" (22:02:13)Home is where the hatred is: I can't identity with some straight dumb ass ghetto logic (22:03:13)Home is where the hatred is has closed the conversation window. (22:03:45)danZenie: yeah you can (22:03:55)danZenie: it doesn't mean you have to accept it, or agree with it (22:04:08)danZenie: it simply means you can understand where the dumb ass logic comes from (22:04:38)Home is where the hatred is: no I don't live and I don't want to act it...sometimes you have to play the part to save face (22:04:54)danZenie: I understand all of that. (22:05:15)danZenie: I'm not saying that you have to become or part take in it in order to identify with it (22:05:35)danZenie: you simply don't have to become one with it (22:05:48)Home is where the hatred is: no unity...get back to that point what is the evidence for black unity (22:06:25)danZenie: I like your style. is hostile. (22:06:43)danZenie: N.O. (New Orleans) (22:07:15)danZenie: there is no black unity with what's happening there? (22:07:34)Home is where the hatred is: no (22:08:16)danZenie: had it been FatBack Alabama, you think black people would have been donating money? (22:08:30)danZenie: promoting charity events/concerts? (22:08:49)Home is where the hatred is: what makes another person feel pity is not racial (22:09:01)danZenie: shiiiiit!!! (22:09:11)Home is where the hatred is: or else Black America would be investing in Africa (22:09:31)danZenie: deep down inside Black America is not at peace with Africa (22:09:40)danZenie: they gave us up and sold us over (22:09:49)Home is where the hatred is: no man (22:09:59)Home is where the hatred is: just like black leaders (22:10:34)Home is where the hatred is: the truth is black people scorn Africa because they are ashamed and don't associate with it (22:10:46)danZenie: I disagree (22:11:02)danZenie: maybe years ago, years ago, I would have agreed with that statement (22:11:05)danZenie: but not today (22:11:07)Home is where the hatred is: people wore the medallions because they were in style (22:11:15)danZenie: that I agree with (22:11:20)Home is where the hatred is: now that legacy still lives on (22:11:22)danZenie: but not today (22:11:27)Home is where the hatred is: today also (22:11:37)Home is where the hatred is: where is the investment (22:11:44)Home is where the hatred is: where is it? (22:11:59)Home is where the hatred is: where's the hugs behind that love (22:12:01)danZenie: many of our brothers in africa don't see us as "brothers" (22:12:08)Home is where the hatred is: why did sting fight for africa (22:12:14)Home is where the hatred is: why not Jay-z (22:12:22)Home is where the hatred is: sorry Bono (22:12:35)danZenie: sting fought for africa? (22:12:43)Home is where the hatred is: just another point to the fact that there is no black unity (22:12:50)Home is where the hatred is: u2 (22:13:18)Home is where the hatred is: do brothers in africa identify with him then (22:13:28)danZenie: how in the fucking world are you going to have a rapper that sings about bitches, cars, diamonds, and how he used to be on the block dealing, fight for africa (22:13:38)danZenie: I don't want that man to represent my organization (22:13:47)danZenie: my "save the world" organization (22:13:52)danZenie: he was killing the world (22:13:53)Home is where the hatred is: you prefer Bono (22:14:01)danZenie: ALL DAY!!!! (22:14:06)Home is where the hatred is: ok the roots (22:14:09)Home is where the hatred is: as (22:14:13)Home is where the hatred is: common (22:14:16)danZenie: it can't be (22:14:20)Home is where the hatred is: Stevie Wonder (22:14:24)danZenie: they don't cross borders (22:14:24)Home is where the hatred is: Quincy Jones (22:14:28)Home is where the hatred is: Bill Cosby (22:14:36)danZenie: they don't cross borders (22:14:54)Home is where the hatred is: Bill Cosby doesn't cross border (22:14:57)danZenie: they are well known in their own niche, but they don't cross borders (22:14:59)danZenie: NO!!!! (22:15:17)danZenie: how could you compare Bill Cosby with Bono? (22:15:17)Home is where the hatred is: no he had the american show 4 years (22:15:24)danZenie: how long ago was that? (22:15:29)danZenie: no one remembers that shit (22:15:33)Home is where the hatred is: so why not then (22:15:39)danZenie: the Simpson knock them out !! (22:15:43)Home is where the hatred is: you remember live aid (22:16:00)Home is where the hatred is: who started that (22:16:00)danZenie: I've heard of it. yes (22:16:14)danZenie: don't know who started live 9 (22:16:37)Home is where the hatred is: some white folks (22:16:44)Home is where the hatred is: show me the unity? (22:16:58)Home is where the hatred is: hutus versus tutsis (22:17:19)Home is where the hatred is: christian vs. muslim (22:17:30)danZenie: people vs. people (22:17:30)Home is where the hatred is: light skinned vs. dark (22:17:35)danZenie: people vs. people (22:17:36)Home is where the hatred is: right (22:17:47)Home is where the hatred is: so black vs black (22:17:50)danZenie: so then you're saying there is NO unity at all? (22:17:57)danZenie: not just black unity (22:17:58)Home is where the hatred is: no such thing as black unity (22:18:05)Home is where the hatred is: right (22:18:10)Home is where the hatred is: no such thing (22:18:32)danZenie: no such thing as unity? (22:18:40)danZenie: black, white, yellow, brown? (22:18:42)Home is where the hatred is: national identity...what is an American, Panamanian, Canadian? (22:19:08)danZenie: those are just "divide and conquer" strategies (22:19:17)danZenie: that's all a nationality is (22:19:29)Home is where the hatred is: all terms that don't exist... but the idea of a nation is a flawed term (22:20:01)Home is where the hatred is: nationality is suppose to be a unifying thing...but it is not just like race (22:20:26)danZenie: nationality is not a unifying thing (22:20:40)Home is where the hatred is: it is suppose to be (22:20:41)danZenie: it is a dividing thing (22:20:46)danZenie: NOT AT ALL!!! (22:20:51)Home is where the hatred is: within a nation (22:20:58)danZenie: not at all (22:21:06)Home is where the hatred is: within a nation (22:21:19)danZenie: I don't agree (22:21:27)danZenie: patriotism is what you mean (22:21:31)danZenie: not nationality (22:21:58)Home is where the hatred is: no why does Panama cheer for their soccer team (22:22:00)danZenie: nationality is a form of division. they're not from here, they're not like us (22:22:11)Home is where the hatred is: how can you be patriotic with a nation? (22:22:19)Home is where the hatred is: without a nation? (22:22:39)danZenie: you can't (22:22:49)Home is where the hatred is: right? (22:22:50)danZenie: you need a nation to be patriotic (22:23:01)danZenie: but nationality is used for separating (22:23:08)Home is where the hatred is: put it together now...nationality (22:23:09)danZenie: not for unifying (22:23:14)danZenie: no way (22:23:23)Home is where the hatred is: panama isn't a nation (22:23:25)Home is where the hatred is: ? (22:23:38)danZenie: listen here homes (22:23:48)danZenie: you can have a nation as a physical structure (22:24:09)Home is where the hatred is: explain (22:24:10)danZenie: and the fact that you were born in that nation makes you lets say a "Panamanian" (22:24:24)Home is where the hatred is: ok (22:25:05)danZenie: yet, if you're not put through some kind of "systematical" education and are fed patriotism, the sense of been born in that place is just not enough (22:25:24)danZenie: nationality simply means you were born in a specific nation (22:25:33)danZenie: that alone holds nothing (22:26:23)Home is where the hatred is: right...my point is that if you feel nationalistic if you have certain sense of pride that is artificial that was instilled in you by the school system (22:27:32)Home is where the hatred is: just like sense of belonging to some mystical group of nation black, indian, white is also artificial (22:28:17)danZenie: ... (22:28:50)danZenie: ok so let me ask you this (22:28:59)Home is where the hatred is: shoot (22:29:00)danZenie: where do you belong? (22:29:12)danZenie: how do you identify yourself? (22:29:31)Home is where the hatred is: what tribe? I am [Insert Government Name Here] (22:29:46)Home is where the hatred is: I am not just black (22:30:16)danZenie: .... (22:30:19)danZenie: that's it? (22:30:36)danZenie: all this knowledge and that's it? (22:31:23)Home is where the hatred is: and if say I'm black what does that mean? does it then ascribe to me certain characteristics and if so what should those characteristics be? (22:31:55)Home is where the hatred is: did you read "Invisible Man" be Ralph Elision? (22:32:03)danZenie: years ago (22:32:07)danZenie: I was a young lad (22:32:37)Home is where the hatred is: my favorite book...that is one of the main themes (22:34:10)Home is where the hatred is: that no one recognizes his humanity and people see right through him, because no one sees him as a man (22:34:39)danZenie: that's you? (22:36:36)Home is where the hatred is: that's everyone...people see you and have their mind made up or they see whatever they want to see...they don't know you but they deny your infinite possibilities to like a certain type of music, to think, to love etc...all the while reducing you down into a box. t (22:37:15)danZenie: and you know why? (22:37:38)Home is where the hatred is: why? (22:37:58)danZenie: because at the end of the day humans are also animals (22:38:11)Home is where the hatred is: true (22:38:29)Home is where the hatred is: "there is no new man" (22:38:58)Home is where the hatred is: food and (ride) (22:39:23)danZenie: so we need a new form of evolution (22:39:44)danZenie: the physical evolution is not enough. now we need a mental evolution (22:40:00)Home is where the hatred is: yeah but who is going to civilize us (22:40:14)danZenie: "us"? (22:40:35)Home is where the hatred is: our technology moves too fast for us (22:40:36)danZenie: how come you didn't say them? (22:40:44)danZenie: you identify with something/someone? (22:41:27)Home is where the hatred is: I am a flawed human like everyone (22:41:50)Home is where the hatred is: humanity is what the I identity with (22:42:14)danZenie: why not just animals (22:42:30)danZenie: why not go to the lowest common denominator? (22:43:28)Home is where the hatred is: I see the point that we all are animals...but I hope that the homo sapiens have a higher sense and awareness of the universe (22:44:02)Home is where the hatred is: I haven't seen it yet but...maybe there is some hope (22:44:42)danZenie: YOU HAVENT SEEN IT!!!? (22:45:06)Home is where the hatred is: that human beings are capable of rational thought (22:45:55)danZenie: humans with a sense of universe (22:46:21)Home is where the hatred is: yeah or their place in it (22:46:51)danZenie: (22:44:02) Home is where the hatred is: I haven't seen it yet but...maybe there is some hope (22:47:53)Home is where the hatred is: I can't be pessimistic all the time it get depressing after a while (22:48:39)danZenie: depression is a "feeling". I don't give a fuck about your feelings! (22:49:39)Home is where the hatred is has closed the conversation window. (22:49:53)Home is where the hatred is: lol (22:50:27)Home is where the hatred is: I'll keep that 2 myself next time sorry Note: Not chat logs are posted without the consent of all chatting individuals. Opinions expressed here. . . it is what it is!    |
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